16th Nov 2021, 8:55 PM

Inquire about stopping the apocalypse

Inquire about stopping the apocalypse
"Why are you still here, then?"

"Unfinished business," she grumbles. You'd like to ask how she's still here, but after an answer like that you doubt she'd tell you.

You take a second.

A long, thoughtful second.

And a deep breath.

"What if I want to stop the end of the world?"

"Then you'll fail?," she says, "Like the half a dozen people better at this than you already did?"

"We can at least try to slow it down," you plead. "Stave it off, something! If we team up--"

The gun is pulled away from your head.

Just as you start to breathe a sigh of relief, you are whipped across the back of the skull with what you must assume is the same gun.

You hit the ground, hands and knees.

"The only thing you're slowin' down is me," says the stranger. "You're scared of a gun! I coulda painted your bedroom walls with your Moon buddy. I could leave you in a damn nightmare coma. I could feed your mind to one of them big bastards outside! Take the hint, Fire Crotch, you're outta your fuckin' depth--there's things in here that'll do more than wake ya up, and I'M not gonna be your damn babysitter."

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16th Nov 2021, 9:16 PM
Fighting is useless, we need to show her our goals and our resolve to achieve them.

Look at her.
Then we'll do our damnedest. We'll have to get gud fast. But if we said we could stop it, would you want to?
17th Nov 2021, 6:04 AM
+1 (edited from before because I understood you were speaking directly to Plaire, and not writing the message Plaire should tell to the gunner)
18th Nov 2021, 1:36 PM
Ezra's met this woman before...
"She was, as I recall, a sweet young lady. We discussed the weather, and music, though she was disappointed when I didn't recognize the band on her T-shirt."
"Ah! Yes! Indeed! The First Lie. I assumed they were some underground band, as I listen to the radio a great deal and I'd never heard of them. ...Are they any good?"
Source: http://mda.wtf/comics/96/

Would she perhaps stay her hand if we just told her to Remember The First Lie?
19th Nov 2021, 9:49 AM
+1 to mentioning the first lie
16th Nov 2021, 9:21 PM
Ok. Given the sheer quantity of confusing figures with unknown identities running around, my main suggestion to contribute is to ask for this lady's name before we fade out. Dunno about anything else, but tbh I would kill for just one less mystery around here.

Also, notable that she identified Marlow as the Moon. Does that mean all accomplices with the same tarot share a look? Or does she have a way of telling that we don't? I guess a possible way of differentiating between those two theories would be to find out whether she knows what Plaire's tarot is, but somehow I feel like that's not really going to come up.

Actually, there are several notable things here, and I'm kinda too tired to unpack it all tonight, but those are the thoughts I managed to scoop somewhat coherently through the mess.
16th Nov 2021, 10:18 PM
You think she'll actually answer? She's just gonna huff and shoot us. She's uncooperative and just wants us out of her hair till we can actually put something on the table -1
17th Nov 2021, 6:05 AM
-1. While she doesn't seem maliciously hostile, she's still benignly hostile, and her giving us her name does not help in her objective of scaring us out.
17th Nov 2021, 9:24 AM
-1 Don't give her more right now
16th Nov 2021, 9:21 PM
First things I've noticed:
Her wrists and eyes are bound with DNR tape - does that prevent HER from resetting? If so, can we duplicate it? Do we want to?
SHE'S WEARING A RING - she's got helpers! Where are they? Did they not make it?
The gun DOESN'T have reset tape - she may only have the one reload-worth of ammo, and coming in and out resets her gun, so she's got to conserve ammo?
I feel like the double necklace is relevant - maybe we need to review our memories of what was on the chalkboard, and there's a set of symbols on the two disks - the smaller one is a cross, the larger is either a triangle or an Irish/Gaelic trinity knot. The triangle is upside down - if it's not a Gaelic knot, it might be an upside-down triangle, which makes me think immediately of the Tradesmen / Trades Man.
17th Nov 2021, 9:28 AM
+1 Make note of this when you wake up! Don't wanna forget
17th Nov 2021, 9:35 AM
17th Nov 2021, 8:08 PM
Gutz Grilla
+1 Yeah, good catch, must take notes of everything (hope Plaire can do it).

About Plaire herself not resetting: it may not give that much advantage if the injuries from the previous raid carry over. So there better be some form of healing, or Plaire will have to level up her evasion stat a lot if she is to survive the alcazar.
17th Nov 2021, 11:37 PM
16th Nov 2021, 9:25 PM
Well, time's up and her opinion of us is as low as it's going to get. At this point I almost suspect that asking about "why did you seal the tradesman" might actually improve relations. ...But maybe it could also get Plaire exploded in meatspace.
16th Nov 2021, 9:37 PM
-1! This chick sealed him for a reason, so letting her know we let him out is bad - we can't trust her now, and we have no idea what moves to make to change that. Let's save the bargaining for when she doesn't have the drop on us with a gun to our head
16th Nov 2021, 9:53 PM
Another -1 to telling her we untaped the trades man.
17th Nov 2021, 5:07 AM
+1 If you can get around mentioning that you unsealed him
17th Nov 2021, 6:07 AM
-1. If we start mentioning anything involving the DNR tapes, she may add 2 and 2 and figure out we messed with the DNR tapes, and she may do something else with the Tradesman.
17th Nov 2021, 9:25 AM
-1 we don't want her to hurt the Tradesman again
16th Nov 2021, 9:33 PM
Well Good! I think both we and Plaire have proved we don't need a Goddamned babysitter, and this chick is a total idiot that we need to eventually wipe the floor with.
We've been out of our depth(and known it damn you!)since day one, but look! Still here. >:[ We are going to stop the apocalypse or die trying, and it's a shame your too much of a coward to help(btw don't say that part)

Aannnd - we already fed ourselves to one of the monsters outside and it didn't make much of an impression. (Don't say this too)

Btw, I think this may be the librarian - crazy hair and she's got a dream ring.

Artwise I like how the white grass looks like teeth from this angle . . .
16th Nov 2021, 10:03 PM
Things here can def kill us for real. I think Cici and Kate were lucky to only take mental damage from that time, and I don't think we should brand her as an eventual foe just yet. Of all her reasons to not help us, I sincerely doubt cowardice has anything to do with it.
17th Nov 2021, 1:28 AM
Agreed. She strikes me as the hardass drill sergeant sort who'll only acknowledge us once we make an impression. Doesn't quite make her an enemy *yet* -- just an unknown quantity.
17th Nov 2021, 5:08 AM
I think she could mention the choir but not sure if we can trust her enough to mention the Choir. It would be a real gamble, but it's a gamble I would take, personally.
17th Nov 2021, 8:57 AM
Agree with Limrix here. It looks like, in her own way, she's trying to get us out of danger - if we manage to stand on our two feet better, she may reevaluate us, and I guess she gave us enough info to start working towards that.
16th Nov 2021, 9:43 PM
Eh, Plaire may not have those extra levels in Badass, but she’s got genre-savvy and, more importantly, us. Plus, a gun could actually be scarier in psycho-space, when you think about the sheer conceptual mass associated with the idea of guns.

We’ve closed a Miasmatic Wound and extended the available timeframe, so that puts us a ways ahead of the uselessness curve. Point that out, point out that finding a few extra months of happiness before the world is eaten by a friend doesn’t actually sound like a great idea (or even a particularly doable one, given Plaire’s restrictions), and then ask about The First Lie. Seems like it’s one question she might be willing to answer.
16th Nov 2021, 10:01 PM
So, if we ever really need to deal with her, we can try to get that do not reset tape off her then quickly die.

Just noting this.
17th Nov 2021, 9:33 AM
Agreed, keep that in our back pocket.
16th Nov 2021, 10:14 PM
How are we slowing her down?
Can't we just stay out of her way and learn the hard way?
16th Nov 2021, 10:14 PM
We don't need your permission to try and save the world, you do your shit and we do our own, dying here sucks but living in the real world is fucking worse. You wanna do whatever shit you got planned go for it, we're gonna actually try to do something.
17th Nov 2021, 8:59 AM
+0. If we sound too much adversarial or too much willing to jump into the danger abyss, she can take measures to stop us. But leaving quietly doesn't sound good either.

Maybe tell her that we closed a Miasmatic Wound? Uh, scratch that. One trap was enough, more traps with her knowing in which Alcazar region we are... yeah, no, thanks.
16th Nov 2021, 10:14 PM
Go for the candy. If she's saying you shouldn't be afraid of the gun, then she can't really complain if you ignore her threats with it. Plus, it's not like her, "I told you to wake up," after defying her now is going to be any better than her, "I told you to skip town," when you defy her by coming back tomorrow night.

If you'll defy her, you may as well do it now.
16th Nov 2021, 10:24 PM
+1 for defying her and going for the candy, she isn't gonna listen till she thinks we on common ground which, we're not even in our best, so we might as well show defiance and tell her that she ain't stopping us either
16th Nov 2021, 10:31 PM
Portal In Time
I ALSO thought about the candy! But I'm worried the shock would stall us enough for her to realize we're refueling. And then we'd instantly die.

Maybe if we play it off as our arms giving out, but she will almost definitely catch it.
16th Nov 2021, 10:57 PM
From Gigafreak: "All this 'No you can't' talk sounds a lot like the Miasmatic Wound I found today. Right up until I sealed it, without the help of my Choir."
Then +1, or the flask, or brainsate in our pocket.
17th Nov 2021, 1:36 AM

We have more time now, which is a huge plus. Doing something too stupid now could easily get us hurt/killed in meatspace, especially with how the stranger so calmy mentions worse fates than waking up with a splitting headache. Feel like we're at a major disadvantage, already fading and dealing with an opponent who's better prepared than we are.

Maybe make a smarmy quip on the way out, but we can come back later. Need to pick our battles carefully now that we're outside the dungeons; feels like the real battle is ahead of us, not behind.
17th Nov 2021, 6:49 AM
Plair would be dead, er, expelled from the alcazar for the night, already if it was the intent.

Plair is open to physical attack even if the gun is otherwise useless. It is still a club. A mana recharge would help.

Plair is being antagonized. This exchange has more curiosity in it than threat. Plair is not considered a strong threat at this point.
17th Nov 2021, 9:03 AM
-1. Given her "I'm being hard so you won't die hard" posture, trying to defy her now may make her defy us more in response... and she has a gun, better knowledge of the terrain, better magical understanding and may be the one responsible for the grenades, DNRing the Tradesman, and may be constantly in the Alcazar - so she could sabotage the save rooms, or do something else with the Tradesman, or add more traps, etc, etc, etc.

We can and will defy her will, let's just be smart about how we will do it.
17th Nov 2021, 9:06 AM
+1 take our path, enough listening to cryptic chickens.
16th Nov 2021, 10:16 PM
You don't have the choir though.
17th Nov 2021, 6:53 AM
No bragging about the choir. We might not be fight club, but our semi secret existence in the world has value.
16th Nov 2021, 10:18 PM
I suppose there's some reason you didn't seal that Miasmatic wound yourself?
16th Nov 2021, 10:41 PM
I really don't think this lady is threatening Plaire -- she really comes across like she's just trying to scare us off for our own good. Tell her that we're not interested in a babysitter, but if we meet again we wouldn't say no to a more civil conversation, or at the very least she could hold off on shooting our friends and pistol whipping us, and we'll leave her be in return.
16th Nov 2021, 10:46 PM
16th Nov 2021, 11:36 PM
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17th Nov 2021, 12:50 AM
17th Nov 2021, 6:54 AM
I get this general impression too.
17th Nov 2021, 9:04 AM
17th Nov 2021, 9:34 AM
17th Nov 2021, 4:05 PM
17th Nov 2021, 5:19 PM
16th Nov 2021, 11:14 PM
Try to get Yellow in us anyway but if we can't, then, gun or fade, same thing

You're probably sick of the mysteries, Plaire, let her have it, give her the explanation, as full as you can manage, spite and all.

And, we've got a look at her,
16th Nov 2021, 11:47 PM
It kinda looks like Plaire is already fading out, what with the bubbles of herself floating upward. If she wakes up next update then she should ask Marlow what happened to him and check the results from his ghost-hunting equipment.
17th Nov 2021, 12:28 AM
We slowed down the timer by sealing a miasmatic wound, isn't that enough for slowing things down instead of slowing you down?
And how exactly have we slowed you down anyways? Nothing you've done shows any semblance of trying to slow down this calamity you're talking about. All you've done is tried to scare us off, how do we know YOU don't have something malicious planned that you can only do if we're gone? How do we know that YOU aren't trying to speed up this impending doom? Why should we trust you when all you've done is act hostile and threaten us?
17th Nov 2021, 12:30 AM
I'm very curious about all of this. But right now it might be best to let the fade happen quietly and get to thinking about next steps in the waking world.

Marlow probably saw her. When Plaire wakes up, make sure to ask if he did and for his take on what he saw.
17th Nov 2021, 12:33 AM
Tell her that we’ll stay out of her way if she stops getting in the way of ours. A more passive and friendly approach didn’t get us far, so let’s set some boundaries and make clear that for all intents and purposes our brain is already wired into this whole mess, and that if we were going to cut and run we’d have done so already. Just don’t be antagonistic about it, it’s clear that the road to allying with her isn’t quite closed yet.

On a related note, this hints that the gun is just a normal gun, and any worries to the contrary were just anxiety and/or us choir being too careful. We should be ok with gunshots by spending mana (it can’t be worse then the burns from this night, right?) but we should still keep an eye out for things in the waking world that would help us in a gunfight. Even if it’s just getting another demonshell so we can consistently bring in Cici and her rad combat skills. I have a feeling that any friendship with the stranger is only going to come about once we kick her ass.
17th Nov 2021, 5:13 PM
Gutz Grilla
A big fat HELL YEAH to everything you said!
17th Nov 2021, 12:34 AM
Is she implying Marlow is alive? Asking seems like it would be less risky now that we know she doesn't actually want us dead, just out of here. It's not like it'd be unnatural to ask and I don't think she'd kill you for that at this point. It's not about defying her or talking about the apocalypse in general.

Possibly mention what would hypothetically happen if you sealed the miasmatic wounds? Using the correct terminology might signal we know more than she thinks we do and may give us more information about their nature. She seems to assume you know very little of what is happening and are wandering around blind. Then again, talking about trying to stop the apocalypse might make her just kill us right now or make her less willing to talk. We also might want to consider asking about the tape on her (as if we don't know about it) and see if we can get a hint as to how she's using it. I think either of those suggestions might be risky and would need to be done carefully. Asking about the wounds is probably more helpful.

Also why WOULDN'T you be afraid of a gun??? It can obviously kill so I'm not sure of her reasoning (I don't think we need to ask about it though, but it might be useful to note in case of future run-ins). Also... why didn't she just shoot us right after the warning speech? I guess she wants confirmation but it still seems slightly weird to me. She knows where you are going to reset so she could shoot you before you do anything every time.
17th Nov 2021, 9:13 AM
+1 to asking about Marlow - it's implied that "I could" is completed with "but I didn't", but better to be sure.

-1 about the tape. Not because feigning innocence wouldn't benefit us here, but because Plaire didn't look backward yet to see the tapes, we are doing that with Choir cam shenanigans, and at this point I don't think it's a good idea to point to our existence as the Choir yet, or to point from where we came from.

About the gun, given her list of dangerous things she could do to us:

* She can explode us in the real world;
* She can put us in a nightmare coma;
* She knows a way to throw Plaire outside the shield.

All of those things are worse than "waking up through dream damage", and given that one of the owners of the house exploded, or at least that's what we've heard...

...my guess is that all the damage and pain we faced so far has a certain tier of security embedded into it, and she's pointing that there are worse types of hurt ahead.

Finally... does she know about where Plaire resets? Her initial speech about who we are kinda points to her only finding out about Plaire today - which by itself is a bit awkward: real world Plaire Stevens buying the haunted house would've made some gossip waves at this point.
17th Nov 2021, 9:35 AM
-1 to asking about Marlow, he's fine IRL. She could have killed him, but didn't.
17th Nov 2021, 5:34 PM
Gutz Grilla
Just spitballing here: her reasoning was probably about the fact that there are many things in the alcazar equally, if not more, capable of hurting or killing us. Compared to what Plaire has faced in there, a gun is just too mundane.

Even though being mundane is exactly what makes the gun so scary. In real life, we don't exactly go around fighting dragons, vampires and ghosts, and have to deal with, uh, floating platforms over lava pits, just to commute. A gun, on the other hand, is much more relatable. We know it can kill.

And, while she was quite a bully, I don't think she wanted us dead, that's why she didn't shoot us. Maybe she is really testing our mettle. (There are better methods, of course.)
17th Nov 2021, 2:25 AM
Tell her plain. You have nowhere else to go, no home to run to, no money to run with, and you've decided to make your stand. You are the most dangerous sort of person, the one with nothing left to lose save what little you're fighting to defend.
17th Nov 2021, 5:05 AM
I don't know if it counts for anything, but you could ask questions and drop a couple bolded words, like "Are you the Hanged Man?" I also would like to petition to send Plaire a mind hug and a choir fueled steeling of the nerves.
17th Nov 2021, 9:14 AM
+1 for mind hug and nerve steeling once she's awake.
17th Nov 2021, 9:36 AM
+1 Ask if she's the hanged man, and also mind hug
17th Nov 2021, 2:41 PM
17th Nov 2021, 9:05 PM
17th Nov 2021, 5:12 AM
+1 to asking for her name or at least something to call her. +1 to asking about the first lie. Then if there's time, +1 to asking cluelessly about the DNR tape.
-1 to consuming anything yellow: we were already warned that doing so could be bad in real life.
17th Nov 2021, 9:15 AM
+1 to asking for her name. -1 for asking about the DNR tape, everything is pointing for she not knowing where we are spawning on, and Plaire didn't look backwards to see her or the tapes in her body, we did. So, better to not give her information that pinpoints to our future position.
17th Nov 2021, 5:42 AM
Just grab the tripwire and see how she likes her own grenade traps, it's not like you're not already fading
17th Nov 2021, 9:37 AM
-1, spite will lose us a potential future ally. Our last wielder made unlikely allies, and this woman isn't actively an enemy yet

Also we don't know if that will kill her for realsies
17th Nov 2021, 9:41 AM
Yea, her wearing DNR raises all kinds of questions.
17th Nov 2021, 9:40 AM
Do not divulge additional information to her as we fade out. We have not yet fully identified her as friend or foe. Watch, learn, and only give her the bird as we fade out.
17th Nov 2021, 1:41 PM
17th Nov 2021, 5:26 PM
+1. I was tempted to make the same exact suggestion as per the bird.
17th Nov 2021, 7:48 PM
Double deeuuuuuce!
17th Nov 2021, 12:41 PM
I may be wrong, but I think she's wearing the other dream ring... we could mention this to her but I doubt she will answer. What we do have is a description of who may have bought the ring. I think it dosnt matter what we say here so we should ask about her when we are around the back room next time.
17th Nov 2021, 12:45 PM
She won't tell us anything so maybe go out on a statement. "I am vaguely aware that I can die a horrible death in here, its on my mind like half the time. But guess what? IM STILL HERE. So if you think pistol whining me is gonna stop me? Maybe were both out of our depth. So ya, there are people better than me at this, but so what. I want to live even if I'm a great big failure at this, so I'm going to go roughshod over this dungeon weather you wanna help or not."
17th Nov 2021, 5:02 PM
Gutz Grilla
Well, that went better than I expected... but not by much.

And you know what? She already pisses me off.

Whatever, loser. So what, you tried and FAILED to stop the apocalypse from being set in motion, then NO ONE ELSE gets to do it? Stupid!

And, "the only thing you're slowing down is me!" Well, good, SOME self-awareness about you being a "thing," since you've shown yourself to be a freaking tool. YOU came to us, not the other way around! Worse, you didn't even wanted to hear Plaire's side!

You are the one slowing us down. That makes you an obstacle.
17th Nov 2021, 11:44 PM
Maybe as a last question before we wake up we could ask about the "I have a right to know" critters just for grins. It also would be worth gauging her reaction to admitting that we can't/won't leave but will do our best to keep out of her way. If we do that, it may be worth asking for advice. *shrugs* I'm barely conscious, so that's all I got.
18th Nov 2021, 5:27 AM
Hey Morgen, I'm not going to be able to comment for a few weeks because the neurology department plans to take me off my meds and stick wires to my head... again. This time because my primary neurologist retired and the new guy isn't convinced that his notes are on the level, despite being backed up by multiple sources. Can I get 'tokens' for the comments I would miss in the mean time, like storing points for a stronger move later? I had been playing with the idea anyway and the medical issue impending just seems like a sign to try sooner than later.
18th Nov 2021, 5:56 AM
Gutz Grilla
Good luck there, be well! Hope everything turns well for you.
18th Nov 2021, 6:14 AM
I'm not opposed to it in theory, but if I offer the option to one person I don't have an excuse for not giving it to others, and I have zero faith in my ability to keep up with that accurately

I dream of having some convoluted system that can automatically count and/or track subtle vote weights based on different contexts (Patreon, pages since last comment, one-off bonuses for new poster referrals, etc) with chievos and clear +/- markers for replies but as it stands I can barely edit CSS without melting the basic site layout and sometimes I save images as the wrong page number, and with that said I do not trust myself to track this sort of thing manually. I can't even tell when the last time someone commented was without going through every page one at a time and Ctrl+Fing their username. All of the back end is ComicFury's, I am out here with a Wordpad file and tally marks

if I could code or even count worth a shit not even God would be able to stop me
18th Nov 2021, 4:46 PM
Good god, I understand that! Had some interesting code back in the late 90s, but that was kid stuff. Reorganizing the files for mom using html wasn't an idea she'd stumbled upon herself, so I was feeling pretty proud of myself for an 11 year old kid. Nowadays, between the rate programs update the language used even and epilepsy erasing my memory, I could code shit WITH notes. Spent, shit... I honestly don't know how long trying before I got the hint and gave up. Either the doctors fix my head, or I'll never be back in the game. That said. I didn't think earning said 'tokens' would be an easy task. Had I been present, I would be posting "Token" instead of a comment for said comment, and voiding that token if I gave a comment anywhere else that day. Honesty just feel better than cheating. Even if I am gone, I would be responsible for counting up how many I missed, letting you know I'm back, and if asked, how the visit went, if I even remember. I never asked expecting a "here, take it" response, but some kind of "earn it" or "prove yourself", the latter being something that might have some editing on how by explaining myself here. I also thought you might limit who could earn these "tokens" down by coming up with something that grants the right. I'm pitching the idea, but have little more then that to stand on, so I'm not holding my breath as it where. These are my thoughts.
18th Nov 2021, 7:04 AM
What an unnecessary drag! May all go well.
18th Nov 2021, 7:08 PM
I really have nothing to say here. Big oof. :< *supportive Plaire hugs, prepares cookie cravings for when she wakes up* x3
18th Nov 2021, 8:33 PM
Realize that if you fade now, she gets the DNR knife and you lose it.

I don't know what to do about that . . .
18th Nov 2021, 10:33 PM
And possibly the tape inside the toolbox too if she checks in there. I don't know what to do about it either...
19th Nov 2021, 8:50 PM
If we don't go for yellow, we fade and she gets the DNR - if we go for yellow, she shoots us, then shoots nega plaire, and gets it anyway . . .
20th Nov 2021, 5:43 PM
She may not even shoot the nega-Plaire for us because it may not appear until after the alcazar resets.
21st Nov 2021, 6:49 AM